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    October 8, 2012
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spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> sean: mitt romney closes the gap. could the latest poll numbers spell a disaster for the anointed one? dick morris, ann coulter, pat cacaddel on the latest debate bounce. critics slam his performance at last week's debate. tonight veteran newsman jim lehrer is here to set the record straight. explosive new details are emerging about a campaign donor scandal that could rock the obama white house. >> it's time to change course in the middle east. >> plus, former u.n. embassy john bolten breaks down mitt
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romney's doctrine versus the anointed one. >> hope is not a strategy. >> sean: governor mitt romney's impressive performance last week will go down as the most decisive victory in history and americans must agree, because according to a brand-new gallup poll by a record-breaking 52-point margin, 72% of voters think romney did a much better job than president barack obama. anointed one stumbling and bumbling in denver is costing him in the polls, nationally and in battleground states. the latest gallup survey, the governor is now tied with the president among registered voters, a five-point swing in romney's favor in the days immediately following the debate. by the way, it's a seven-day rolling average, and three more days after the debate have yet to be counted. according to the newly-released pew research center poll, romney leads among likely voters -- get this -- 49% to 45%.
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according to the brand-new george washington politico poll, voter enthusiasm has shifted dramatically in romney's in favor. on top of that, the polls show romney is leading among independent voters by a staggering 16%. according to fox news polls, exit polls in 2008, obama won the independent vote by 8%. so that means that's a 24-point shift with 29 days before the election. all of this has sent the obama campaign into full crisis and panic mode. the president, his surrogates are sinking lower than they have before all in an effort to stop the romney surge. they're playing desperate. they want to paint governor romney has someone the america people should fear. their chicago-style politics are played out on a national stage because at the end of the day that's their only option. this is what happens when you are a desperate candidate who has failed his constituents for nearly four years. you're forced to call your
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opponent a liar pants on fire. >> plenty of people have pointed out what a liar mitt romney is and was last night. i mean, if he was talking -- he was speaking last night, he was lying. >> are you saying that governor romney lied or was dishonest? >> well, yeah, i think he was dishonest absolutely. >> many people say what they saw was the governor romney they've known all along, what's been the problem in the past is they haven't seen that person, and he finally emerged during the debates. >> you said he was lying when he said he was going to cut taxes for wealthy people? >> he's the etch-a-sketch guy. we have to wonder which mitt is going to show up. if you just lay out lie after lie after lie about your own plan, as well as what the president has been talking about, of course you can look good. >> we expect an aggressive debater to show up last night on the debate stage with barack
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obama. we didn't expect an aggressively dishonest debater to show up. >> sean: perfect strategy, liar, liar, liar, pants on fire, fire, fire. funny, i didn't hear anybody mention anything about the president's record or accomplishments, perhaps because there aren't any. instead he's given us 46 million americans on food stamps. you didn't fix that, mr. president. 17 million more than when you took office. 23 million americans un and underemployed. $6 trillion in new obama debt and have four years to fix the worst economy since the great depression, and it's no longer george w. bush's fault. after looking at the latest polls it appears the truth is beginning to catch up with barack obama. hear with reaction, the author of the "new york times" latest book "mugged" ann coulter and fox news contributor, the one and only pat caddell. the author of the study at princeton just lied. >> right. >> sean: he points out that obama purposely took his
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interpretation of romney's economic plan out of context, which was -- that means the president lied. >> the conclusion was, the princeton economist supports what romney says, i'm going to cut, which he said a million times in the debate, and i think americans understand, understand he's telling the truth, no matter how much they talk about lies, cut rates across the board by 20% and eliminate deductions and exemptions, which everybody knows is a scam, and it's mostly taken advantage of by the very wealthy. he can keep the rates for the very rich the same. this lie, lie, lie business, this is exactly how the left reacted to the one issue that was the single most important issue i think in any presidential campaign, where you could point to a single issue, 1988, the willie horton ad, liberals' first reaction to say it's a lie, it's a lie, it's a lie. it wasn't a lie. then they cried racism. you're getting the same thing, lie, lie, lie. now "harper's" magazine is
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saying when he talked about his five boys, that was racist because it was romney suddenly calling obama boy. >> sean: how desperate are they? they seem they're freaking out, panic and desperate? >> they are. let's understand something, as every day comes in, the polls get worse, we go from dishonest -- we started with untruthful, now dishonest, and now lying. god knows what it will be by the end of this week. the point is -- let me just say this. this is the biggest debate victory probably since 1980. >> sean: it is. >> in terms of a single debate, in terms of the margin but more importantly what it did for romney was, the number of people it gave them a chance to see. the problem with the lying strategy, the people that watch "60 minutes," within five days
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they would have put up ads promoting their debate victory. the fact is it was big. it helped romney a lot. we went from 30%, almost doubling the 53% among uncommitted voters that he cared about people, his favorability -- i've been waiting for more polls. we finally got pew. some of the polls are slow on this. the thing i find is the election is not over. obama's not been defeated. he has an approval rating over 50%. >> sean: which poll? >> rasmussen. >> sean: one poll. there are other ones. go ahead. >> highways approval is near 50%. he's not defeated. the second thing consumer confidence is rising in light of the highly suspect job numbers friday which we could spend a whole show on, which showed unemployment going down. this is -- this campaign by no means is over. >> i think it's over.
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>> no, it's not. >> of course i thought it was over last week and the week before and the week before, romney's going to win. the reason he's going to win, part of the evidence is, this was the most watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter, and there was only one debate that year. >> a week before the election. >> that was the first time in the last 100 years republicans took out an incumbent. the one that this debate in terms of viewership tied with was in 1992 when clinton ran against bush. again, when an incumbent was being taken out. the reason so many people tuned in is because they know obama's taking the country in the wrong direction. they know they're underemployed. i don't care what number the obama administration gets flashed up on a tv screen, they know they're out of work, and they wanted to see if they're comfortable with the challenger. not only were they comfortable, they'll keep being comfortable. the reason romney is going to keep doing very well in the debates is because you never get to see him. the media tells us, you know, gives us snippets, paraphrase,
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in other words what he was trying to say is. let's see what he said. >> sean: if you want to look at polls -- we're still 29 days out. four weeks in a campaign we all agree is an eternity, but pew, battleground, politico, rasmussen. it goes deeper than that. romney is up in florida in a poll, up in virginia in a poll. >> even in ohio. >> sean: dead even in ohio. it's a two-point race in pennsylvania. it's a two-point -- >> well -- >> sean: wait a minute. it's a one-point race in wisconsin. this now is putting obama in a position where he has to defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, at least, you know, six, seven states that he won back in 2008. >> this is all being carried on mitt romney's performance. i'm telling you as a campaign they're still with a behind the curve, but let me tell you about those polls. the battleground poll, most of it was conducted before the debate. i'm sorry with pew, i thought pew's numbers were screwy before
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when they had obama way ahead, so i just write them off as screwy, but they do seem to show that on attributes -- look, debates are not about moving numbers. this moved as many numbers as anything i've seen. it moved the internal structure of the race. it made the challenger acceptable. >> sean: let me ask you this. there was an eight-point advantage for obama in 2008. 16-point difference. >> if it's a 16-point advantage, it's over. >> sean: and a 13-point -- whatever the enthusiasm is double digits as well. >> right. you see you don't really trust pew? >> i think they were skewed before, i don't want to mess with them later. >> please note they're never skewed to benefit republicans. if this is what they're saying, romney's winning. >> sean: we got to take a break. we'll come back. by the way, joe biden sequestered for a full six days.
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he's in hiding. governor romney's impressive performance at last week's presidential debate will go down in history, the most decisive victory in the history of debates. we'll have the latest coming up. also later on tonight we will be checking in the celebrity president gets a huge endorsement from a misogynist pothead, snoop dogg. and ann and pat respond to the most offensive language being injected in the race. and jim lehrer is here tonight that's straight ahead.
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>> sean: welcome back to "hannity." we continue with ann coulter and pat caddell. rapper snoop dogg posts a number of reasons to not vote for romney and reasons to vote for obama. he posted it on instagram, originally posted it by another twitter user. he didn't write them. look what he's posting. here's my point, snoop dogg supporting obama. made such a big deal, rush limbaugh says about sandra
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fluke. is the president ever going to talk about the civility of his supporters, keep taking money from the likes? >> no. >> sean: by the way, you're going on with that jackass this weekend, bill maher. >> please come if you're in the l.a. >> sean: the one conservative in the audience. good luck. why? >> because i have to fly to l.a. a liberal to argue with me about my book. that's why. >> sean: okay. by the end of the show you will be a racist, you know. >> you will be. that's it, you are. >> sean: where is president civility? where is he? what he's doing now. his problem with his debate was he's got a campaign out there accusing romney of being a murderer, you/:ef know,w$ a fe, he doesn't bring up thisog char. then he's back on#; the k going in front of
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a town hall audience. the question finally going to come, is the president taking responsibility for his campaign or not? this is the man -- remember, the reason the voters who voted for him in 2008 are disappointed, the major reason they cite, he politics. >> sean: romney to his credit, they come out with a new campaign ad fighting back on this, president crybaby is whining. >> right. >> it's offensive. >> sean: the president is a whiner and desperate. so romney's fighting back. here's what he put out. >> president obama continues to distort mitt romney's economic plan. the latest? not telling the truth about mitt romney's tax plan. the a.p. says doesn't add up. abc news, mostly fiction. even the obama campaign admitted it wasn't true. >> well, okay, stipulated, it won't be near $5 trillion. it won't be near $5 trillion. >> obama's plan? $4,000 more in taxes on the middle class. we can't afford four more years.
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>> sean: and biden says he wants a trillion new taxes. they're admitting it. >> right, right. the idea that's a lie -- even in the debate when obama said, well, he's been running on this tax plan all this time. now he says never mind. okay, show me the clip where romney says i'm going to cut taxes on the rich by $5 trillion. he doesn't say it. >> this is a mistake. he answered this in the debate. he needs to get on the offensive rather than getting into this defensive dialog with obama. >> sean: we're running out of time. i want to ask you about wyden. they've sequestered him for six days, six, so he can prepare for ryan. >> let me tell you, what ryan should do is not worry about a debate about medicare. he should go after the administration on foreign policy in libya. the stuff with china, the stuff we're having later on the money scandal. all of this stuff, this is about to blow up on obama. the libyan thing is something for ryan to get the, quote, expert on foreign policy, biden, on the defensive. let me tell you something, they won't be ready for that.
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>> they will now. you just said it on "hannity." >> they know nobody listens to me. doesn't platter. still won't be ready. >> sean: would have listened to you two years ago, they would have better in shape. >> democrats will think biden is charming. >> sean: i disagree. my money is on ryan big time. >> oh, yeah. >> sean: coming up, the left quickly pointed the finger at jim lehrer as if it was his fault that the president bombed at the debate. desperate democrats are blaming. they whined and called mitt romney a liar, but not sure they'll be able to do the same, use the same bag of tricks thursday when biden doesn't deliver in his debate. we'll check in with dick morris, what kind of gaffes can we expect from biden? a "hannity" investigation into where does obama's money come from? maybe other countries? is that illegal? straight ahead.
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>> in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. >> is that true? >> absolutely. the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth,
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balance the budget. the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. >> sean: that was my next guest, jim lehrer, moderating the debate last week. the left tried to make him the scapegoat for obama's pitiful performance, but for 60 million americans it was obvious the blame laid squarely with the president himself. here is former pbs news anchor jim lehrer. nice to see you. >> good to see you, sean. >> "good evening, this is "the newshour"." >> you did that really well. >> sean: how are you doing? >> "the newshour" is doing great. the team took time to get it in place. i transitioned out and i'm ve happy about the pbs news, how it's functioning. >> i felt bad for you after the
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debate. a lot of criticism heaped on you. >> yeah. >> sean: how did you feel about that? >> i'm not keen on criticism just as a general thing, but that was right at the beginning. the criticism is pretty much gone away now because people realize that spin doesn't work if everybody's seen the event. 67 million people watched it. 67 million other people reacted ll of that. leverybody's prettypo wel this. nobody's blaming me for it, blaming me for anything.
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>> sean: with just 29 days to go, all eyes are on the vice presidential debate this thursday. i'm sure that everyone's hoping for a gaffe-free performance by joe biden. now i'm going to say that's unlikely judging by his latest slip when he emphatically declared that the middle class has been, quote, buried for the last four years. yes, you're right, mr. vice president. it's all thanks to you guys. here's robert gibbs in his attempt to defend what is the latest biden gaffe. >> two questions. is there more pressure on the vice president now to be aggressive coming off the president's debate? are you worried about gaffes like that? >> well, look, i don't think that was a gaffe, george, because i think what the vice president was talking about is what he's talked about every day, which is a series of eight years of very bad economic decisions. we've been digging out from what
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was an avalanche of bad economic decisions over the past eight years during the bush administration. >> sean: now according to "the new york times," the obama campaign actually thinks that biden will give them the comeback they valle desperately. if they're counting on joe biden to save the day, maybe they're counting on the wrong guy. the author of the new book "here come the black helicopters: u.n. goble governance and loss of freedom," former clinton advisor dick morris. same biden who said he was going to raise taxes by a trillion dollars, 500,000 jobs a month are coming, and 2012 fewer jobs than 2011 fewer than 2010. is that the guy that's going to save the day? >> well, i think they should change the format, sean. instead of biden against ryan, it should be biden against
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biden. that way i think we'll get a fair exposition. this isn't two men auditioning for the job, even somebody judging as to whether biden deserves re-election. in this case, it's kind of like the spokesman for romney against the spokesman for obama. paul ryan is a uniquely articulate person with a uniquely profound understanding of what's going on in this country. i believe he's going to run rings around biden. i think that he will effectively close the case for romney. everybody's talking about how badly obama did in the debate. i'm talking about how great romney did. i think he explained his positions. he explained why taxing the rich won't work, because it's taxing the small businesses that create
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jobs. he's talked about the medicare issue. i think that this was a big win for romney. i think ryan will hammer it home. >> sean: they're going to sequester for six days biden? he can't come out in public? they're going to try to force his brain full of information? i just don't see that working. >> well, sean, maybe they take him off the trail for six days so he doesn't mess it up. >> sean: well, maybe mess it up -- >> there was no debate, they should still sequester him for six days. >> sean: probably for the rest of the campaign. you know, i want to go to your book for one second, because we don't have a lot of time tonight, but it's out in bookstores now. this has been something that a lot of conservatives have been concerned about. that is the growing influence and reliance on the united nations, worldwide taxes, which hillary mentioned just, what,
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two weeks ago, and that the very arguments for redistribution that we have in this country are going to be used to tax americans for the united nations or some global governance body. you say this is not a black helicopter theory. >> well, i believe that metaphorically the black helicopters are coming, but i think that the point is that if you're looking at obama's second term agenda, and what he'll do during the lame duck session, it's wrong just to think in terms of what he's going to do to this country. his plan, i believe, is for global governance. right now there are five taxes that they're about to impose on the american people. the u.n. will impose. one through the law of the sea treaty, a tax on our offshore royalties. the world health organization wants a worldwide tax on cigarettes. the u.n. wants an income tax that now will get billionaires. they want a robin hood tax on every time you sell a stock or
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bond, any financial transaction there will be a tax attached to it. they want a carbon tax that will tax american airplanes landing in europe based on their carbon emissions. what we're looking at here is a global system of taxation. will obama raise taxes? yeah, but not just through congress. it will be done by treaties in the u.n. that can be ratified by the senate and the house of representatives has nothing to do with it. that's one of the major things we warn about in this book heree come the black helicopters." >> sean: that's pretty frightening. it's in bookstores as of tomorrow morning, amazon.com, called "black helicopters." dick, thank you. >> thank you. >> sean: when we come back, is there a major donor scandal about to blow up in the president's face?
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our guests say they have things that could derail the president before election day. and in the middle east, this time the israelis take out a drone. the middle east burning. this all happens as mitt romney goes out with a major foreign policy speech telling voters that the president has failed when it comes to the middle east. we'll check in with john bolton straight ahead as he reacts. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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>> sean: my next guests say they have a new bombshell report showing how the obama campaign website makes it possible to receive contributions from foreign nationals in countries all around the world, and as of now there's no confirmation that they may be doing this knowingly, but the website does allow for a foreigner to make a contribution without proper disclosure. even "newsweek" has posted a story about the findings calling it "the illegal donor loophole." according to the report not only is it illegal for the campaign to accept such donations from foreign nationals, it's also illegal for them to solicit
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these types of contributions. as expected, the obama campaign official tells fox news the allegations are, quote, baseless, and they still stand by the story that banghazi was spontaneous, they just happened to have rocket-propelled grenades in their back pocket. joining me to explain how they uncovered this information, steve bannon and peter switzer. explain this. >> we dissected the online fundraising apparatus of major presidential campaigns and congressional campaigns. we did this because this is the year of the internet -- era internet, changed commerce, entertainment, and politics. literally now you have a global environment where people have access to campaign websites and an environment where campaigns are literally spitting out email solicitations and using social media to solicit campaign donations from people around the world. the question becomes in that kind of environment, do these campaigns actually have security
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on the back end to make sure that these donations are not taken -- >> sean: the obama campaign has a campaign store. on the campaign store they use a standard security tool, but on the obama campaign donation website they do not have the standard security code. explain that. >> you've heard of voter fraud? this is donor fraud. they have a massive apparatus that goes from social media to digit mining to fundraising. what they've done, they've got every tool available, standard tools they could use to check if you want to buy a mug, but what they do is drive you right to their website, everybody to their donate page, and they have no security at all. they use security in such a limited with a that -- >> sean: what do we know about the money, where it may be coming from? >> $500 million in donations in
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2008, and probably $500 million 2012. that's a billion dollars. they don't have to report it to the fcc, under $50 they don't have to keep the records. >> sean: go over what you brought here. >> you go to amazon.com, you go anywhere online to buy something, you want to go the obama store and want to buy a dog sweater for $35, you need to put this security code in. >> sean: okay. so if you go to the campaign store, you have to put that security in there. >> yes. trillions of dollars of transactions every year on amazon.com and everywhere. >> sean: they want that security code when it comes to buying their junk. >> exactly right. want to make sure they're not being defrauded. every one of their tech guys who has another company, another nonprofit, they all have the same security, it's the same security that apple has and
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amazon. >> sean: but don't use it when it comes to donations. you expect this money is coming from, where, china? >> there are solicitations going around the world to china and -- >> sean: wait a minute. the solicitation? >> yes. >> sean: you mean they are requesting money to stay below the limit? >> yes. these requests are $190. so they're below the $200 limit. we found cases in vietnam, where they're being told, support the obama campaign in donations. >> sean: they're asking for $190? >> yes, $190. >> sean: not $210? >> that's right. that falls under the $200 threshold. here's the problem, we don't know because of the disclosure requirements how much money is getting through. they tell us they have this sort of backhand procedure at the end to make sure this is not happening, but we have to take their word for it. >> every liberal, huffington post, "new york times," has gotten the solicitation. they know what we're talking about. the under $2000 and --
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>> sean: we're going to follow the story. you both think they are purposely soliciting money under the limit from foreign countries and donors? >> absolutely. >> sean: you believe that? >> by the way, we're going to go to the bitter end to find this information out. the president, by the way, with one click, david axelrod, they could say put security on, and another click they could put up every transaction. >> sean: thanks, guys. we'll follow this story. coming up, mitt romney says the world is a more dangerous place since the president took office. i couldn't agree more. now this as more evidence mounts the administration did not do all it could do to protect ambassador stevens and three other americans in libya. endless shrimp is our most popular promotion at red lobster. the's so many choices, the guests lovet! [ male announcer ] don't miss endless shrimp, just $14.99! try as much as y like, anyway you like. like new teriyaki grilled shrimp. offer ends soon! my name is angela trapp, and i sea food differently. try this... bayer?
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>> i know the president hopes for a safer, freer, more prosperous middle east, allied with us. i share this hope, but hope is not a strategy. we can't support our friends and defeat our enemies in the middle east when our words are not backed up by deeds. >> sean: that was gop presidential candidate mitt romney earlier today at the virginia military institute in lexington, virginia, delivering a powerful address on foreign policy. here with us to help break down governor romney's speech is former ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. ambassador, welcome back, sir. >> glad to be with you.
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>> sean: all right. so the white house pushed mubarak out, had no idea the muslim brotherhood would take over. they lied to us about libya. new evidence coming out today that ambassador stevens was begging for his security team to stay on. they didn't grant him that assistance, that help. the president spiking the football when it comes to bin laden, but didn't support the policies that led to the intelligence that allowed him to make that decision. where do you think things are going here? how bad is this obama doctrine, if you will? >> i think things are going in the wrong direction. i think they're directly attributable in the middle east to the decline of american influence, which is a policy that the obama administration has pursued quite consciously, and we're now seeing the effects of it. the examples you give, the determination to withdraw from afghanistan on a fixed timetable that's basically turning the country back over to the taliban. the inability to stop iran's
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pursuit of nuclear weapons or its continued financing and arming of terrorists in the region and around the world. all of these things put together give a picture of a weak and declining america. i think what governor romney was trying to say today is that we're best able to prevent conflict and protect american interests through a strong american presence, not a weak and declining american presence. >> sean: yeah, i thought that was interesting. if we don't lead, the wrong people will be leading in the world. i think one of the most disgraceful events that have happened, two of them back-to-back, when the president said he couldn't meet with president netanyahu when he was in new york to speak before the united nations. "well, if i speak to him, i have to speak to 10 people." my answering that's your job. meanwhile he found time for beyonce andey z and letterman and "the view." that was shocking to me. >> the israelis face an existential threat from a nuclear iran.
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israel a small company. half a dozen nuclear weapons, there is no more israel. presidents have this problem in new york at the opening assembly, all the time, everyone wants to meet with them. they always have a limited amount of time. you meet with half a dozen. he could have found time to meet with president netanyahu in new york or washington. he just didn't want to. that sends an incredible signal, especially to american adversaries that's how is we treat them. >> sean: i was equally embarrassed to watch an american president go out and spinning like a top, how what happened in banghazi was spontaneous, people just happened to have rocket-propelled grenades at a spontaneous uprising, mortars at a spontaneous uprising. this has gone on for days. and the president at the united nations continues to blame a youtube video that was released in july, having a very difficult time admitting that there's terrorism, radical islamists.
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when he apologized for that video, who was his audience? was it not radical islamists? >> it was a classic example of what gene kirkpatricksed to call the blame america first problem as if that video had anything to do with the terrorist attack on our ambassador that killed him and three of his colleagues in libya, the penetration of our embassy's security in egypt, tunisia, yemen and elsewhere around the region. i think it's indicative of the president's blinding ideology. he can't process facts that are inconsistent with it or inconsistent with his very incongrewous political narrative that al-qaeda has been defeated, the war on terrorism is over and everything is sweetness and light in the middle east. that's not reality. >> sean: seems by blaming the video, disgusting, disgusting, disgusting, disgusting, we condemn it, we had nothing to do with it, the only people this
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would impact are the radical islamists, and that seems it's based on a false notion, predicated on a false notion, that somehow if we're nicer to them, that if we say america is guilty of torture like he did in cairo in 2009, that somehow that will change their behavior, just like fort hood was a workplace incidence of violence, not a terrorist act. that seems the most troubling, a mind-set that doesn't recognize an enemy that wants to destroy, not only israel, but us. >> right. this is a president who thinks that america's strength is provocative, that somehow we're too much in the world, and that we set off these activities so that if we were more withdrawn, if we were less assertive, that the radicals, our adversaries could be nice to us. it's absolutely the opposite. american weakness is provocative. governor romney was trying to say

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